I seem to have trouble with buns. I catch the hair ina pony tail holder, twist it and put it up and secure it with pins. However, more often then not it ends up lop-sided,
to the side, too small or two loose. Can someone help me???
Also, I seem to have trouble making buns high on my head because my hair seems to get messed up on top.

Ah! I'll try that for high braids too! Ty!

Along the lines of the lifting the chin idea, I like to lean against something like a high-back chair for support.  Then you can drape my hair over, and it helps to take the weight off your hair.  Also, if the bottom part of a high bun gets saggy, making it while leaning against a chair really helps that problem too.

There are some good instructions here that show how to make a bun without a ponytail holder.  There is a video at the bottom of the page that is really helpful too.  Go here, then click Instructions, then Bun Instructions
http://www.haarkram.e-something.de/start.html

Cynde

Thanks guys. I tilted my chin upwards and I secured teh hair with my hand and twisted and the bun came out perfectly! Ty!! I love that link btw.